BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby James Sel » Tue May 06, 2014 12:22 pm

solutions! what are the solutions the information campaign is dated? they have been closing roads, putting up trail restriction (ect) for years and more laws for decades. Meanwhile there is a lack of funding, search and rescue, fires and vandalism go on.
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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby surfsteve » Wed May 07, 2014 7:36 am

No Foraging in the King's Forest Because It Hurts The Peasants
Let's Talk About 'Public' Land

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Conveniently hidden in the noise of the Bundy Ranch standoff is the heart of the issue: property rights and use of government-owned land. With the federal government going on a land-grab spree of late, it's time we have a frank discussion about "public" land.

What is it? Who owns it? What's it used for? What rights do citizens have to use it?

Back in feudal times peasants weren't allowed to forage in the king's forest. Those caught poaching to feed their families were put to death. It was considered stealing private property from the king himself, not the kingdom as a whole, no matter how big his forest grew. No one claimed it hurt other peasants to take from the king. Yet, today, we are to believe that foraging on government land somehow hurts the kingdom.

Some citizens call rancher Bundy a tax cheat, saying he's stealing from taxpayers because he hasn't paid grazing fees on public land. Does this group view public property as profit centers? Do they know they're advocating for the same thing as big oil companies, frackers, Harry Reid's Chinese solar power plant and a host of other cronies who don't give a damn about land preservation? Because these entities dutifully pay their fees for their "right" to use public lands.

I'm not here to stick up for Cliven Bundy. His family claims they've had foraging rights to government land in Utah since 1877. Ironically, that's right around the time that the government violently stole the land from native Americans. So, ancestor Bundy used the government cavalry to do to them exactly what the BLM is doing to him at the behest of Harry Reid's corporate endeavors. I'm just keeping it real.



Does this mean that land rights only exist for people who can defend property with weapons? It certainly seems that way. To be fair, native Americans never understood "private" property until they were forced to, but they did respect tribal boundaries which they too defended with force.

Historically, property rights were recognized when someone put their labor to the land by building a house from the trees or managing a herd on the fields. The right to use the land became "ownership" and could only be claimed by an individual or a family who worked the land. In the example of feudal times the king displayed ownership of the forest because he protected it with force. Significantly, the kingdom did not own the forest because no one could even begin to understand that concept.

Today property ownership comes with very few rights without permission from, or paying fees to, the government. For example, I used to pay around $7000 a year in property taxes for a modest home and three average cars that I supposedly "owned". I also had to buy permits to paint my house, to finish a room in my basement, to cut down trees or burn brush in my yard. I paid this money to the kingdom because they claimed a right to my property.

Increasingly people are being prevented from foraging (keeping a garden or chickens) on their own land as if it belonged to the king. It's apparent that when property rights become privileges, the grantor of those privileges becomes the real owner of the land. But what happens when the grantor is a vague collective called the public? A king can be removed, while the "public" cannot.

Is all government land "public"? Of course not. Try hiking around the NSA data center in Utah and see what happens. Try entering Yellowstone National Park without paying the $25 entry fee and see what happens. As a taxpayer (peasant), you have absolutely no rights to that land, therefore you and other citizens are not the owner of that property - but you did pay for it.

The simple truth is if you don't have a right to use the land, you don't own it. Claiming that not paying our fair share for using the king's land (including our own homes) is akin to treason against the kingdom is a colossal mind-control victory for our rulers. People who believe this truly cannot see the chains that bind them.

Well, on a positive note, at least we have all this "public" land to sell real cheap to our creditors when the US economy goes the way of Greece, right?
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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby James Sel » Wed May 07, 2014 11:26 pm

I don't read much of what you post its just too much. Summaries might get more attention. :|
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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby surfsteve » Thu May 08, 2014 7:52 am

In case you don't already know. Harry Reid is the senator who has been the most vocal and influential in the Bundy standoff.
Harry Reid Owns 93 Acres Next to Bundy Ranch
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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby James Sel » Thu May 08, 2014 10:03 am

surfsteve wrote:In case you don't already know. Harry Reid is the senator who has been the most vocal and influential in the Bundy standoff.
Harry Reid Owns 93 Acres Next to Bundy Ranch


Thanks. 93 ac is not a lot of land but I bet it is more than most senators. I think he should turn most of the land into a preserve for Tortoises.
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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby surfsteve » Thu May 08, 2014 9:21 pm

I'm listened to Webster Tarpley live last night. He's saying that Cliven Bundy is a fundamentalist Mormon and that they, like the Bundys, don't believe in the authority of the federal government. He also purposely called him cloven throughout the interview, supposedly after cloven hoof, a sign of evil. (His words not mine.)

He claims the sovereign citizen movement originated at the end of the Roman Empire. Barons with huge armys refused to obey no other authority than the “Holy Roman Empire” Only thing is, Rome happened to be too far away and too broke to do much if any governing at all so essentially they were little more than pirates. Only hole I see in Tarpley's take on the situation is that the Bundy Milita was nit hired and does not belong to Bundys. Kinda makes me wonder who these militia really are. Also I don't see Bundy as a big land owner. 1000 head of cattle hardly qualifies him as a land baron. So much of the Bundy Standoff doesn't make sense. I don't think we are being told the truth by either side.

Here is a similar interview.
Very unusual take on the situation.

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Re: BLM Thugs Create Huge Standoff in Nevada

Postby desertrat » Sat May 10, 2014 7:19 am

FBI investigates Bundy ranch supporters
It's amazing that these half-witted extremists haven't already been rounded up and put in jail. It's amazing how our justice system will pick on some people and look the other way when others do outrageously illegal things right out in the open. Hopefully eventually all the idiots that showed up with guns to face off against the BLM will wind up with felonies on their records so they can never own guns again... oh, and also hopefully they'll all be given nice long sentences to keep them out of circulation for a while!
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Now, however, there are allegations that Bundy supporters went too far, with many reportedly pointing their weapons at Metro officers who got between them and BLM agents. It is illegal to point a loaded weapon at federal officials, and some Metro officials have told the FBI that Bundy’s supporters launched death threats against them.

LINK: http://rt.com/usa/157924-fbi-investigates-bundy-ranch-supporters/
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