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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby panamint_patty » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:36 am

ergot: If law enforcement officers were a bit more assertive in the enforcement of laws regulating the use of quads and motorcycles which are not street legal these problems would much less frequent. The problem is that law enforcement officers are way too lenient when it comes to people driving these vehicles on paved roads. It's like they care more about making friends than enforcing the law. People operating quads and motorcycles realize this and just keep on driving on paved roads. No one is held liable for this accident waiting to happen. Cops need to be held responsible when they fail to properly enforce the law.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby deathvalleyjake » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:21 am

No child under the age of fifteen should be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. That should be a legal absolute. Any parent who allows their child under the age of fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle should be be charged with negligence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Repeat offenders should serve time in prison. Before we ever again talk about protecting children from imaginary dangers or something naughty that they might see in a movie or on a computer screen, we should create laws which protect them from real threats! That's what a sane society would do, but who am I kidding? We don't live in a sane society or anything that's even close to a sane society. Imaginary threats seem real to many people and real threats are causually ignored by many in this world.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby surfsteve » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:59 am

I don't see how quads are any more dangerous on streets than they are off of them. I think the problem is that people that lost their licenses for drunk driving etc. are using them and driving the same way they were when they drove cars.

I always thought they don't cause the kind of damage as if they were driving a huge car; though I have to admit that quad did substantial damage to that pick up truck in the video. I would have never imagined it.

People should never be driving drunk and quads should never drive on the street but I think there should be some leeway for vehicles like mopeds and 2 wheeled scooters that people stand up on. Seems like there's always a few people that ruin it for everybody.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby surfsteve » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:14 am

deathvalleyjake wrote:No child under the age of fifteen should be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. That should be a legal absolute. Any parent who allows their child under the age of fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle should be be charged with negligence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Repeat offenders should serve time in prison. Before we ever again talk about protecting children from imaginary dangers or something naughty that they might see in a movie or on a computer screen, we should create laws which protect them from real threats! That's what a sane society would do, but who am I kidding? We don't live in a sane society or anything that's even close to a sane society. Imaginary threats seem real to many people and real threats are causually ignored by many in this world.


I would be in favor of punishing parents for giving their kids permission to break the law but not for punishing parents who's kids disobey them. What is a parent to do when they will be punished both if their kids break the law and if they spank them for disobeying them? Sure. If you can prove the parents deliberately allowed them to break the law, lock them up and throw away the key; but society has no right to punish parents who can't control their kids when it is society's fault that parents have no control over them!
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby Sparky of SoCal » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:20 am

deathvalleyjake wrote:No child under the age of fifteen should be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. That should be a legal absolute. Any parent who allows their child under the age of fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle should be be charged with negligence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Repeat offenders should serve time in prison. Before we ever again talk about protecting children from imaginary dangers or something naughty that they might see in a movie or on a computer screen, we should create laws which protect them from real threats! That's what a sane society would do, but who am I kidding? We don't live in a sane society or anything that's even close to a sane society. Imaginary threats seem real to many people and real threats are causually ignored by many in this world.


Your kidding right?
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby panamint_patty » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:11 am

surfsteve: Generally I agree with you, but in this specific case not so much. When it comes to motorcycles and quads it should be possible for parents to properly secure them so that the kidgs don't use them without permission. The same logic applies to guns and cars. Kids can be sneaky, but parents oughta be able to keep track of major items. I agree that parents should have limited liability for other things kids do and that seldom should a parent be incarcerated for something that a kid does, but it's a case by case thing the way I see it.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby deathvalleyjake » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:00 pm

Sparky of SoCal wrote:
deathvalleyjake wrote:No child under the age of fifteen should be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. That should be a legal absolute. Any parent who allows their child under the age of fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle should be be charged with negligence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Repeat offenders should serve time in prison. Before we ever again talk about protecting children from imaginary dangers or something naughty that they might see in a movie or on a computer screen, we should create laws which protect them from real threats! That's what a sane society would do, but who am I kidding? We don't live in a sane society or anything that's even close to a sane society. Imaginary threats seem real to many people and real threats are casually ignored by many in this world.


Your kidding right?

Kids under fifteen should spend more time walking or riding bicycles. Have you noticed how many fat and out-of-shape kids there are nowadays? Moreover, they are a safety hazard when they operate motorized vehicles on paved roads. Around the Trona and Ridgecrest area they routinely break speed limits and run stop signs. When they're in the desert they churn up tons of dust and make ridiculous amounts of noise. On top of all that the injury and death rate is extremely high. They are a danger to themselves and to others. There is no good reason for a child under fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. (The only possible exception might be in an agricultural situation where kids are helping parents on a family-run farm, but that kind of situation seldom applies in the desert.)

To add insult to injury, we hear all the time about the dangers of the internet or porn or you name it. Those dangers are infinitesimally tiny compared to the dangers associated with the operation of a motorized vehicle. So, if we're going to obsess over something, it might as well be a real danger as opposed to an imaginary danger.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby ergot » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:54 pm

deathvalleyjake wrote:
Sparky of SoCal wrote:
deathvalleyjake wrote:No child under the age of fifteen should be allowed to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. That should be a legal absolute. Any parent who allows their child under the age of fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle should be be charged with negligence and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Repeat offenders should serve time in prison. Before we ever again talk about protecting children from imaginary dangers or something naughty that they might see in a movie or on a computer screen, we should create laws which protect them from real threats! That's what a sane society would do, but who am I kidding? We don't live in a sane society or anything that's even close to a sane society. Imaginary threats seem real to many people and real threats are casually ignored by many in this world.


Your kidding right?

Kids under fifteen should spend more time walking or riding bicycles. Have you noticed how many fat and out-of-shape kids there are nowadays? Moreover, they are a safety hazard when they operate motorized vehicles on paved roads. Around the Trona and Ridgecrest area they routinely break speed limits and run stop signs. When they're in the desert they churn up tons of dust and make ridiculous amounts of noise. On top of all that the injury and death rate is extremely high. They are a danger to themselves and to others. There is no good reason for a child under fifteen to operate a motorized vehicle. Period. (The only possible exception might be in an agricultural situation where kids are helping parents on a family-run farm, but that kind of situation seldom applies in the desert.)

To add insult to injury, we hear all the time about the dangers of the internet or porn or you name it. Those dangers are infinitesimally tiny compared to the dangers associated with the operation of a motorized vehicle. So, if we're going to obsess over something, it might as well be a real danger as opposed to an imaginary danger.

Real dangers versus imaginary dangers? You know, you're absolutely correct, but in this world everything is upside down and backwards. Quads. Motorized wheelchairs. What's the difference? Fat, lazy kids will become adults unable to do anything that requires physical effort. So they might as well start now.... So many morbidly obese people show up in walmart and they require a motorized shopping cart. That's the way of life for a huge segment of society.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby shadylady » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:12 am

Another big problem here is uninsured drivers. I think deathvalleyjake was mostly concerned about kids under fifteen, but the uninsured are another group of people who tend to be irresponsible and uninsured. You also mentioned parental liability in another post and my feeling is that parents should be fully liable for any traffic accidents that involve an under-age, uninsured child of theirs driving around on public roads. That seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Re: ORV Accidents

Postby twister » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:41 am

Uninsured drivers are definitely a concern of mine and when motorized vehicles are being driven by someone without a driver's license I get a bit more concerned. Kids under fifteen can pedal around just fine. They need the exercise as do the rest of us, but there is no reason a kid under fifteen needs to be on a motorized vehicle and parents who allow that kind of thing are just encouraging laziness.
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